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Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by travis_cooper on Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:45 pm

There are a few things that I wish I had more control over in the way the gallery works. I have been pushing, and I don't know when, if ever, I will get the changes I want supported. So I have thought of a solution that I personally like, but I would like to see what you think about what I would like to do. If people agree with the new stuff it will be affective as soon as possible, probably for next week. If nobody seems to like it, or if a lot of people vote against it, then I will just keep things the way they are.

The first issue I have with the gallery is that I can't do a 1-10 scale. The new solution will give us a 1-10 scale. The other thing I don't like about the gallery is that it isn't anonymous during the voting. The new solution would make the voting anonymous, unless you can tell by the actual picture who took it, except to me I would of course know who submitted which picture, but at least nobody else would.

The proposal I have is to view and vote on the pictures through the forum itself rather than in the gallery. I have created a sub-forum here that represent what I would like to do in the future. It mimics the current challenge in the gallery right now. If you look in that sub-forum you will notice a sticky thread here that will be a spot to see the thumbnails of all the entries in the same place. This thread also has links to each of the individual entry threads so you can quickly get to the entries. This is also the thread I will link off the portal page that currently links to the gallery. The next thing you will notice is a thread for each picture. Since I create all the threads and there is nothing in the image url that points to a specific user nobody else will know who submitted this picture. In this thread you now have a 1-10 scale to choose, instead of the limited 1-5, a rating from. You will also notice a next and previous link at the bottom of the picture, this will help you navigate through each picture so you can easily make sure you see all the pictures. You can also leave comments just as you would have been able to before.

The only issue this doesn't address that I don't like about the gallery is that you can still vote for your own entry. I don't have a way to stop this, so this will have to remain on the honor basis. You shouldn't be voting for your own entries, but this would be the same whether we keep the same system, or switch to this new one.

When the voting period has ended I will make the gallery, where the pictures actually reside, visible to everybody. So you will still be able to see past entries in the gallery, you just won't be able to see them there during voting. The submission process won't change either, you will submit your pictures exactly as you currently do.

Lets look at the pros and cons for each option.

Current System(through the gallery)
  • Pros
    • You are already used to this, if you have participated before.
    • You can see an average score, with the new system you won't be able to see this average so you will have to calculate it yourself. If it is something people would like me to do I could update this and have it listed somewhere on the thread periodically.
    • You have all the neat statistic features that are built into the gallery. In the statistics you can see the top 10 rated shots, the top 10 commented on shots, etc.

  • Cons
    • You only get a 1-5 scale.
    • You know whose picture you are voting for.
    • You can vote for your own image, although you shouldn't.
    • You can see what other people have given this image as far as ratings go before making up your own decision.


New System(through the message boards)
  • Pros
    • You get a 1-10 scale now.
    • You can't see how others have rated the picture right away. You can still see it through the link that says show me the results, but if you don't want to see it you don't have to.
    • You can see a break down of what scores you have received. You will know how many 1s, 2s, 10s, etc you have received.
    • This is anonymous. You don't know whose picture you are looking at, unless you can somehow link the actual image to somebody somehow.

  • Cons
    • You can still vote for your own image, although you shouldn't.
    • You lose the statistics stuff built into the gallery already.
    • When I make the gallery images visible your score and comments won't be available in the gallery, you will have to go to the thread to see them. I can make a link to the thread in each image to make this easier to see though.


So take some time to look at the two systems and then vote for how you would like to proceed with challenges. I personally think the new way will be better overall, but I really wanted to make sure people are okay with it before just making the change. Also if you can think of other pros and cons, or any suggestions that I could add with the new system let me know. I would like to make this experience as good as I possibly can for everybody.


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Re: Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by Janae_cooper on Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:16 pm

I like it. Lets do it! It seems easy to use and I like the look. I also like have the flexibility to give 1-10 scores.
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Re: Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by megevans on Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:11 pm

I like the new system, too. I like having the photos be anonymous during the voting, and I would also like having a 1-10 scale for the voting.

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Re: Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by travis_cooper on Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:52 pm

You should vote for that option in the poll then, so I can see easier what people prefer.

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Go for it!!

Post by melissa on Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:53 pm

I am so glad you've thought of this change! It always bugged me that the voting wasn't annonymous. This is a great idea!! Let's do it!! cheers

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Post by Heatherplatz on Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:11 am

I do like the statistics but would much rather have the voting anonymous and a scale of 1 to 10. I also like that you can see how your own picture was rated (# of 1s, 2s, 10s) etc. Thanks Travis!
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Post by miami_mama on Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:57 am

Yes! I like the new system as well and voted for that one!

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Post by Jenluvs2scrap on Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:37 am

I like the changes. I like that the photos are anonymous and that we have a 1 to 10 scale for voting. Much more flexibility there. Thanks for doing this Travis. Now I just hope I can get back to submitting for the challenges.

ETA: Am I correct in assuming that we will be voting on the old system for the transportation challenge? I'm a bit confused since both options are open at the moment, but didn't want to vote in the wrong spot.

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Re: Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by travis_cooper on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:47 am

Jenluvs2scrap wrote:...
ETA: Am I correct in assuming that we will be voting on the old system for the transportation challenge? I'm a bit confused since both options are open at the moment, but didn't want to vote in the wrong spot.

Yes, you should be voting this week in the gallery. In fact the permissions should be set up as such that you can't even vote, or comment, on the threads on the board. You should only be able to view them.

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Re: Suggested Changes to Challenges

Post by 2hoosiers1gem on Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:15 am

I am just now seeing this... my photo for the "hands & feet" challenge will be pretty obvious that it's mine... sorry about that guys! I am taking note of the change and will keep that in mind from now on with my photos! Smile
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